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Embark on a journey through the intricate world of product leadership with "Tokes", the Kiwi OG of the space.

From the early days of grappling with technological puzzles to his ascent as a product management guru.

Tokes discusses the crucial relationship between founders and product leaders and even covers the role he played with Xero founder Rod Drury.

You can connect with Tokes via his LinkedIn.

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