In this episode, Ruby Powers sits down with Dorna Moini — CEO and founder of Gavel, former Sidley Austin attorney, ABA Legal Rebel, and Fastcase 50 honoree — for one of the most practical legal tech conversations we've had on the show.

Dorna didn't just build a legal automation tool. She started by solving a real problem — creating a TurboTax-style system for domestic violence survivors navigating restraining orders — and then built the platform that thousands of legal professionals now use to automate their practices. She knows the difference between what sounds good in a demo and what actually works on the ground.

In this episode, she breaks down the automation decision every firm owner needs to make — and gives you the framework to make it right.

What we explore:

✅ Rules-Based vs. Generative AI: What the difference actually means in practice — when to use each, which practice areas call for which tool, and why getting this wrong costs you time and money.

✅ RAG vs. Fine-Tuning: The technical distinction that determines whether the AI tool you're buying will still work in two years — explained in plain English for the firm owner who just wants something that works.

✅ 90% Time Savings: The real numbers behind document automation — and what it looks like when a firm finally builds a system instead of just copying last year's template.

✅ The VC Case Study: How one firm used AI to redline every new deal to the most favorable terms a VC had ever agreed to — and why that kind of data-driven lawyering is now possible for any firm.

✅ The Systems Architect: Why the future of the practicing attorney isn't competing with AI — it's designing how AI and humans work together in your firm.

If you've been overwhelmed by legal tech options and not sure where to start — this episode gives you the framework.

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