Host David Berry (VP of Culture and People at MUNICIPAL) is joined by Frank Shushok, Jr. (Vice President for Student Affairs at Virginia Tech) for a fascinating and relatable conversation that covers stories of vulnerability, bringing back the lost art of meaningful conversations (and less small talk), Frank's work helping students reach their full potential and much more.

ABOUT BECOMING BETTER MEN

David Berry, a longtime coach and advisor to organizational leaders and the VP of people & culture at MUNICIPAL, hosts a series of conversations with men who are dedicated to learning, growth, and the belief that cultural norms of masculinity are painfully outdated and damaging. The idea is to inspire and encourage "better men" to both live and lead in wholehearted ways. The dialogue gets deep and candid as each guest shares stories about their origins, developing their values, careers, family, faith, decision-making, and failure. Look for new episodes on iTunes and Spotify at the beginning of every week.

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