In this powerful episode, Whiz sits down with Dr. Deborah Mash, the renowned neuroscientist known as the Queen of Ibogaine. While Whiz and countless others share their personal healing journeys with ibogaine, Dr. Mash brings the hard science. With over 30 years of research, she breaks down how ibogaine and its metabolite, noribogaine, work to heal trauma and addiction at the neurological level—including a scientific analysis of Whiz’s own experience.

Dr. Mash tackles the fear and misinformation surrounding this medicine, explaining how the risks can be mitigated—or even eliminated—with proper protocols. She also discusses her groundbreaking work in taking the “psychedelic” out of the psychedelic experience, making ibogaine more accessible for those hesitant about the visionary aspects. As she asks, “Do you need the trip to get to the destination?”

Dr. Mash also shares an exciting update on her company, DemeRx, and its mission to revolutionize treatment for Alcohol Use Disorder (AUD).

If you’re curious about ibogaine, considering sitting with this medicine, or know someone who could benefit, this episode is a must-listen. Dr. Mash is the leading authority on the subject—and now, the newest member of the No Fallen Heroes advisory board.