Steven Presley is joined by Joe M. O'Connell, the American novelist, documentary filmmaker, short story writer, photographer, and journalist based in Austin, Texas. His latest documentary Rondo and Bob, was set to premiere on April 17th, 2020, at MegaCon in Orlando as part of the affiliated Saints and Sinners Film Festival. Of course, like all events around the world, it was postponed due to the pandemic.