In the fourteenth episode of the Systems Of Wealth Podcast I am joined by my friend, Andrew Pawlak. Andrew is the CEO & Co-Founder @ rebel iQ (FKA leadpops), a full-service digital marketing solution built specifically for mortgage and real estate professionals. A lot of my foundation as a marketing and technology consultant in the real estate industry came from Andrew's book, "The Mortgage Marketing Manifesto" and I have been a longtime user of his products.

Together in this episode we go deep into Andrew's background and how he originally got his start in sales, the journey of developing the initial idea of leadPops and his keys to success for creating longevity in your business.

This was a fascinating conversation as I went into it with a lot of curiosity around how he is able to keep his finger on the pulse of what is happening in his specific industry while still executing at a high-level as CEO. His answer was quite refreshing and I think his approach is not only what makes him a masterful marketer but also a great leader.

I truly admire Andrew's vision for both his life and his business. You can feel his tenacity and competitiveness to win combined with an absolute passion and love for what he is building. Beyond all of that, his commitment to his family and recognizing the importance that has in his life is truly inspiring. I have no doubt he is going to continue to dominant in his industry and I'm excited to be a witness of his success.

To all my builders, I salute you!