Greg interviews Johann Hari, bestselling author of the book Chasing the Scream, in the first of a three-part series. Hari advocates for an end to punishing and shaming addicts, and he believes that treating them like criminals only exacerbates the problems. In this episode, they explore the history of drug laws and the consequences of them.

Listen to the podcast to discover how the past is bearing on the present, and how the right solutions have not yet presented themselves and why this is the case.