Patrick Bateman is back for another visit! Learn the difference between primary and secondary desistance, and some methods to get your clients to that plateau! Plus our new segment, Take that to the Bank!

Watch "The Making Of" this episode here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oE5drF0Ucmo

Making Good: https://www.amazon.com/Making-Good-Ex-Convicts-Reform-Rebuild/dp/1557987319

Pervasive Punishment: https://www.amazon.com/Pervasive-Punishment-Making-Sense-Supervision/dp/1787564665