Timothy Leary was the leading advocate for the use of psychedelics before he died in 1996 and in this episode we have an exciting discussion with him about the current psychedelics movement and the pitfalls he sees ahead. His old colleague Richard Alpert (aka Ram Dass) also makes an appearance and we learn about their relationship, how the other side compares to a mushroom journey, and how psychedelics can support us today.  It's a fascinating one so we hope you will join us!