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In this fiery episode, we sit down with Clive Bates – a global heavyweight in the harm reduction space – to unpack the politics, science, and spin behind safer nicotine alternatives.

01:22 – What is harm reduction, really? Clive breaks it down in the context of smoking and nicotine use.
07:56 – Are cigarette alternatives just smoke and mirrors? Clive offers a pragmatic perspective.
11:38 – Kurt and Clive tackle youth vaping head-on – separating panic from reality.
18:46 – The South African story: Clive weighs in on the local fight for vaping as a harm reduction tool.
25:12 – Looking for the truth? Clive shares powerful advice for South Africans who want their voices heard in the battle over tobacco harm reduction.