Happy New Year! I hope you all are enjoying the holidays with friends and family. I(Jason) had an amazing Christmas and Ben and I are excited for 2019.

We recorded this episode a few weeks ago but are just releasing it now. This episode doesn't follow our normal format, but a lighthearted but meaningful conversation about God, the church, and dealing with the hurts/pains/frustrations with the church. Ben had made a connection on Facebook with David Tisma. David was a former pastor at 2 churches and has a lot of insight on religion and the current state of the church today.

He also records his own podcast, but is currently on a hiatus. You can check it out here, An Open Letter.

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