My dear friend Eleanor Smagarinsky joined me for this episode, in which we gossip and laugh about workshops that work, workshops that don’t work, and the erotics of language. Also, James Schuyler.

Show notes

• A previous chat with Eleanor in which I yell at her to throw her poetry books out.
• ModPo
• Brooklyn Poets
• Joshua Mehigan
• Gertrude Stein
• Tender Buttons
• Poets House
• Shadiyat Ajao’s writing on Off the Bitten Path
• Chance operations
• Erasure
• The Cut Up Method
• The Sestina
• Lorine Niedecker
• Jay Deshpande
• Sleerickets
• Schuyler’s This Dark Apartment and February