This interview is with Sandi Brown and Michelle Caulk. Listen as we talk about the journey to writing their book, "Healing Out Loud: How to Embrace God’s Love When You Don’t Like Yourself". In this unique look at a one-year journey through counseling told from both sides of the couch, Sandi Brown—the founder of St. Louis’s largest Christian radio ministry, JOY FM—and her counselor, Dr. Michelle Caulk, walk through Sandi’s therapy journey, answering the question, “What do I do when I know God loves me, but I don’t like myself?”