In this episode of the Pickathon Podcast, at the top Zale discusses the history, arc, and malleability of the genre that we know today as indie rock. Zale is then joined by Karly Hartzman of Wednesday to discuss the misconceptions of how to break into the industry, and what it means to harness your sound, and how to maintain authenticity and not let external forces determine what your music "should" sound like.