Joe doesn't look like the stereotypical mad scientist cooking up new inventions, however he is just that. He started a company called O-Tus that claims to have a safer way to listen to music on the trail. We talk our way through how the idea came about, what it's like to produce something from an idea, and the ups and downs of trying to get on a TV show. All in all a great product and a super passionate founder that's just excited to get it in the hands of people like you and me.

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