Justin and Stephen revisit the issue of abled-ness being temporary, and then discuss what Justin has recently learned about Minnesota’s troubling history with the Dakota people. They are joined by Jon Lundberg to talk about his process of coming to understand what it means to be white, including time he spent working with Dr. John M. Perkins. They also discuss the challenges of having good conversations about race and whiteness, especially with other white people. More resources at profsinrooms.com

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