Dr Philip Stone was introduced to 'dark tourism' twenty years ago, long before travel vloggers and Netflix documentaries got hold of the term. Since then, he has established himself as a figurehead in bringing this dark world to light.

Aside from contemporary topics like the COVID-19 pandemic, Philip and I discuss the origins and ethics of dark tourism, how the iDTR developed into an internationally recognised centre for dark tourism research, and what drives people to visit spaces defined by death, disaster and destruction.

(Recorded March 2021)