We are delighted to continue our new podcast series based on the Winners and honorable mentions from the APF 2023 IF Awards. Today we hear from Luna Mrozik Gawler, an artist, writer and scholar based in Melbourne, Australia and their award-winning work on Interspecies Surrogacy and Jennifer Williams and Matjaz Vidmar and their Utopia Labs experimental futures process.

Interviewed by: Peter Hayward with Maggie Greyson and John Sweeney