How do we create real change in a world that feels stuck?

A powerful framework to define decision-making roles - especially when the stakes are high.

In this episode of How to Change the World, host Catherine Alonzo sits down with renowned facilitator, author, and systems change expert, Adam Kahane to talk about how we move forward when collaboration feels harder than ever.

With decades of experience helping unlikely allies work across deep divides, Adam shares lessons from his new book “Everyday Habits for Transforming Systems” and reflects on the power of radical engagement: showing up, staying curious, and choosing to work together—even when it’s uncomfortable.

From navigating burnout to embracing progress that isn’t always visible, this conversation offers grounded insight for anyone committed to change.

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