Joe speaks with Charles Eisenstein in a lighthearted conversation about how our current cultural outlook on COVID-19 is furthering the disconnection of community. They also explore the role of conspiracy in society today and whether it's important to recognize where conspiracy exists and not. Finally, they touch on the meaning and sense-making crisis' we are facing today, and how it's perhaps adding to our division and making it more challenging to recognize what solutions might be valuable to solve the challenges we face at a foundational level.

Charles is an author and speaker who invites humanity to enter into a 'new story' in order to create the change we know is possible in our world.