Stephanie and Craig kept talking on Thursday, after Episode 18 and went on to discuss some of the other things they will be watching in the Canadian national security law and policy space in 2018. On the menu: the fate of C-59; cyber security and lawful access issues; a mustering of trials for terrorism (in law or name) matters; and, of course, whether Spy Kids will end up at the Supreme Court of Canada. (Apologies for the HVAC background hum in the first 12 minutes or so)