Recorded live at UPCI General Conference 2025, Tom Lyman sits down with his wife, Lana Lyman, for a short conversation about calling, healing, and what it looks like to help others find hope after betrayal. Lana shares the heart behind what she does first as a wife and mother, and also as a counselor, pointing to the way God uses lived pain to bring real help to others.

They talk about Hope Beyond Betrayal, the two-day marriage intensive they host for couples walking through betrayal trauma. Lana explains it is not a quick fix, but a starting point that gives practical tools, follow-up direction, and most importantly hope, including the reminder that you are not alone and that a marriage can be rebuilt stronger than before.

The episode closes with Lana describing what brings her the deepest joy: watching the moment a person’s eyes open to truth, identity, and healing, whether in counseling, a support group, or a marriage rebuilding conversation.

What would it look like for you to take one honest step toward help, instead of carrying it alone?