This week on the Pickathon podcast, at the top Zale talks about the mental aftermath of putting on an independent music festival, and delves deep into the necessity for honest feedback in order to hedge on and improve in just about every aspect of life. Zale then sits down with Michael Ruth, virtuoso and founding member of the band Rich Ruth, where they discuss the value of culture through the arts, the US's aversion to supporting the arts, geographic styles and influences, and the uniquely, and ultimately important live music curations that exist by way of independent venues.

Check out Rich Ruth's latest single, Settling In, on Bandcamp or wherever you get your music.