In this episode I’m chatting with Ben, a software engineer at Scratch Foundation who's passionate about computer programming education. His past experience includes co-author of one of the first "Computational Media" curricula for the New York City Department of Education and founder of a creative tech education program called Ada & Leo.

Ben goes deep into the kinds of questions that we need to be thinking about when it comes to computer science education in schools. Questions like: Is it a must-have subject for today's students? Will it come to be as dreaded a subject as math? Do schools have the flexibility needed to implement the subject?And how can we rethink assessment and student outcomes in this area? Enjoy the episode!