Rowena Allen says they're too young to be dubbed an elder of the Australian rainbow community.

But, the title is less about age and more about Ro's role as a changemaker. 

Ro has worked in social justice for most of their adult life, and, as Victoria's first Commissioner for Gender and Sexuality, Ro's set a national standard for LGBT inclusion and equality.

This conversation was recorded at the Treasury Cafe, one of Ro's favourite haunts.