Caleb sits down with Shelby as they trace her transition from college debates and teaching to becoming a savvy brand strategist and communication consultant. They explore how authentic conversation matters in our tech-driven, post-COVID world. Shelby drops some eye-opening insights on selling yourself, turning every “no” into a stepping stone, and harnessing genuine human connection in education and business. So, grab your coffee, settle in, and prepare for a candid conversation that might change how you connect.