A very thoughtful conversation with my friend Charley Lee, a psychotherapist and a dialogue partner who I enjoy returning to. We follow up our Conversation 1 year ago riffing on lessons learned during our unique experiences of Covid time.   Apologies for my taking up the first 10m of this dialogue. However, its very much worth the wait as we entered a textured, meaningful and generative conversation exploring: sensemaking, relationship, psychedelics, not-knowing and our collective context.  Recorded in Berlin, July 2021.  

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