If you're a runner, especially an ultra runner, you love to run. Each of us have our own reason for WHY. And for most of us, that is more complicated than we can explain in only a few words.

But there are other endurance challenges out there other than running.

My guest this week, Jordan Zimmerman, is an ultra runner who also enjoys kayaking. He's done the MR350, a race from Kansas City to St. Louis on the Missouri river. 

I've had several "trail talks" with Jordan as we've run together in person. I'm excited to have him here to share a conversation here on Trail Talk as well.