Phil and Adam have a conversation with Pastors TJ Campo, and Phil Letizia of Park Road Presbyterian Church. Phil L. talks about rethinking "Following Jesus" in relation to people with profound disabilities,  which is also the topic of his dissertation. TJ mentions the phrase "Need Love" which is revisited in various ways throughout the conversation. They both reflect on how pastoral ministry is different during COVID-19. After some encouragement, TJ and Phil L. share how Christian can reset as this contentious election cycle ends.