Helen Fisher, a noted biological anthropologist, was one of twenty-two women Jack interviewed in 1993 for his book Good Will Toward Men (St. Martin's Press, 1994). In that interview the idea of patriarchy was a main topic. In this new conversation, Helen spoke of the significance of women's achievement of jobs and careers. Jack asked about the need for something similarly revolutionary, liberating and fulfilling for men. They didn't agree, but there is never any question about Helen's Good Will Toward Men.

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