Chris is joined by bethany ojalehto of Cornell's Department of Human Development this episode. They discuss bethany's work examining how we conceptualize the natural world and how our perspectives influence what we find possible in that context. She works with the indigenous Ngöbe communities of Panama and non-indigenous people in the US and elsewhere in the "west," examining how ideas of sustainability vary across these cultures.

bethany ojalehto is assistant professor of human development at Cornell University. Her research explores how people conceptualize agency and ecologies, with a focus on cultural variation in social cognition and human-environment relationships. She has been privileged to develop these research perspectives through partnership with Indigenous Ngöbe communities of Panama, where she has participated in research and collaboration since 2010.