Jyoti Bansal was days away from taking AppDynamics public when Cisco made a $3.7 billion offer that changed everything. Now his second company, Harness, is valued at $5.5B — and he's built it on a contrarian thesis: AI is producing more code than ever, but code isn't the finished product. We cover the real story behind the Cisco acquisition, why his best sales reps from AppDynamics failed in the early days of Harness, how he runs 16 product modules as "startups within a startup," and why 70% of engineering time still happens after the code is written.

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Timestamps(0:00) Trailer(0:52) Introduction and welcome(2:36) Jyoti's journey from small-town India to Silicon Valley(6:01) Three lessons from AppDynamics that shaped Harness(10:29) Proving value — not just finding the problem(17:23) The sales hiring mistake: matching reps to your stage(27:42) 72 hours from IPO to Cisco's $3.7B acquisition(33:57) Startups within a startup — Harness's M&A playbook(39:06) AI's productivity paradox: more code, less throughput(48:44) The "two AIs" framework and where moats really live(58:50) How Jyoti decompresses