One of Vern's brothers from another podcast is his friend Matt Dobscheutz. In this episode Matt joins Vern as the they talk about Matt's story and the way God has used him to help other men.

I love to talk to Pastors - especially those who are looking to deal with their unmanageable sexual behaviors.

If you need a safe place to talk - you can reach out to me at

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You can also see some more resources on my website

https://bandofbrothers.care