In this episode, Eugene sits down with freelance journalist Chris Outcalt, who published a piece in The Atlantic in August 2020 titled "When a Family Separation Becomes Permanent." The article can be found here: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/08/ice-family-separation-death/614335/

Eugene asks Chris about his process of writing the piece, which details the story of Idrissa Camara, an immigrant from West Africa living in Colorado who lost his wife while being detained by ICE. Afterwards, the two discuss the various facets of family separation, which can include issues of mental illness and have broader effects on a community such as trust immigrants' trust in public resources.

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