Sean: So what are some of the lessons that you took away and that experience where you don't like the team, but you produce magic when you're on stage?

Jason: Actually, that is an interesting question because number one is the team is together because we played well together. Not because we liked each other.

So actually being on stage was the time that everybody kind of came together in a cohesive unit. And I think we got off stage and sulk in our corner. So the point of the team was the music. It wasn't the rest of the stuff. And when we were creating, we would argue, you know, writing songs, people argue all the time. And it was pretty, pretty boring a lot of the time.

And if you ever got ill, it was really difficult to deal with. And one thing I learned there is, however tired I am, however pissed off I am with everybody else in the band. When it comes to saying I have two hours and I need to perform for two hours as I need to look happy for two hours, I need to perform, do a show for four or 500 people who have come to see us.

However tired I am, however much I don't want to do it, how much I've argued with the people in the band, I can do it and it looks good. And that's the point from my perspective is you can always push through if you've got the willpower to do so. And a lot of that has to do with adrenaline. You get a little bit of adrenaline running and you can push through something for a couple of hours.

And my way of thinking of that was saying - "yeah, I can always do it whatever happens" and you know, 600 times managed to, I mean, most of the time I actually really wanted to do it, but every now and then, you know, you're out a little or annoyed, you don't, but you can still get through.

Sean: You know, It's something that I think I have to think a lot about because teams today, we don't operate like that.

And you mentioned that you like to work with people you'd like, and who like you otherwise as leaders, we both know it's not sustainable. And when we're on stage, on-air, when in our business, we're not playing as well as we want to be like how you guys play on stage.

Jason: Yeah, I think kind of the music, the creative side, and the fact that you've got a crowd of people who are getting really into it, means that you think. Well, actually what I think doesn't matter. I'm not here for me. I'm here for them, and therefore I will perform, and I will forget that maybe we had an argument just before we came on stage.

If you search the barking dogs, the ace of spades, you'll see a video of us playing and you'll see that you know, it made a pretty good show. I'm very proud of what we did.

And the other thing, of course, is even if you're underperforming a little bit, the other members of the team, the group can pull you up. With music, it's the whole thing, or it's nothing. So if I'm not up to or on form, somebody else will pull through for me as it were. So, you know, I kind of said, well, I can always pull through, but obviously I need help.

And the team helps, the group helps the other people in the team-group help. And I think that thing is it's always for the audience and it's not for yourself.

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