Matt and Michael return from two very different deserts. Vegas and Big Bend. One all lights and noise, the other all silence and heat.

Matt shares what it meant to scatter his father's ashes in West Texas. Michael talks about the solitude of crowds. And somewhere around the forty minute mark, the conversation turns into something else entirely. What is AI actually for? What gets lost when we outsource struggle? Why do we need to be broken to become whole? And what happens to a culture that forgets the purpose of things?

They land on teleology, the study of purpose itself. A knife only makes sense if you know it's meant to cut. So what are we meant for? And what happens when we stop asking?

Cheers y'all 🍻

Chapters:

[00:00] Two Deserts

[05:27] Scattering Ashes

[10:32] Solitude in Crowds

[18:38] The Memory of Being Born

[22:31] To Love Is to Be Breakable

[30:26] The Value of Experience

[38:38] Billy Corgan vs. the Machines

[50:31] AI Stole the Struggle

[56:02] Tools, Not Gods

[60:20] What Is the Purpose of Purpose?

[69:35] Conspiracy and the Challenger

[71:49] The Art of the Future

[79:53] Teleology and the Disfigured Thing

[86:29] Nuclear Fear and Internet Complacency

[92:00] One Is a Special Number

Resources:

• A Movable Feast — https://www.amazon.com/Movable-Feast-Restored-Ernest-Hemingway/dp/143918271X

• The Rise and Triumph of the Modern Self — https://www.amazon.com/Rise-Triumph-Modern-Self-Expressive/dp/1433556332

• C.S. Lewis, "Love's As Warm As Tears" — https://www.cslewis.com/us/works/poems/

• Blade Runner 2049 — https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1856101/

• Project Hail Mary — https://www.amazon.com/Project-Hail-Mary-Andy-Weir/dp/0593135202

• Adagio for Strings, Samuel Barber — https://open.spotify.com/track/...

• The Glass Bead Game, Hermann Hesse — https://www.amazon.com/Glass-Bead-Game-Magister-Ludi/dp/0312278497

• Foundation, Isaac Asimov — https://www.amazon.com/Foundation-Isaac-Asimov/dp/0553293354

• For All Mankind (Apple TV) — https://tv.apple.com/us/show/for-all-mankind/

• Billy Corgan interview on AI — https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=...

• Suno AI — https://suno.com

• Eric Weinstein on Trigonometry — https://www.youtube.com/@TrigonometryOfficial

• Jonathan Haidt, The Anxious Generation — https://www.amazon.com/Anxious-Generation-Rewiring-Childhood-Epidemic/dp/0593653149

• Mel Gibson's The Passion of the Christ — https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0335345/

• Miranda Lambert, "Tin Man" — https://open.spotify.com/track/...

• Medici Roasting — https://mediciroasting.com

• Sovereign Goods — https://sovereigngoods.shop

Fact Checks:

• ✅ Apollo computer code was written by hand on paper — Verified. Margaret Hamilton and team used paper printouts.

• ⚠️ 90% of nursing home men have penile stents — Unverified claim from a bar conversation. Likely exaggerated.

• ❌ Challenger had 4-5 astronauts — Incorrect. There were 7 crew members.

• ❌ Challenger conspiracy theory — Incorrect. No credible evidence supports this claim.

• ✅ Rat treading water study — Verified. Curt Richter's 1950s experiments at Johns Hopkins.

• ⚠️ "14-20 people have left Earth's orbit" — Needs context. 24 Apollo astronauts left Earth orbit. 3 died in Apollo 1 ground fire.

Find us here:

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x.com/michaelvaclav

All Matt's Links — https://solo.to/mattmccloskey

All Michael's Links — https://solo.to/michaelvaclav

Sovereign Goods — https://sovereigngoods.shop

Cafe Medici — https://mediciroasting.com