In this episode, John sits down with Trenton Wagler of The Steel Wheels to talk about what it really takes to build a sustainable career in music over the long haul.

Over the past two decades, Trent has helped grow The Steel Wheels from a regional act into one of the most respected independent bands on the scene. Along the way, he's navigated the realities of touring, songwriting, recording, band dynamics, creative evolution, and the challenge of staying inspired year after year.

John and Trent discuss the business of being an independent artist, balancing artistic vision with financial realities, family, evolving as a band, the crossover of solo and band work, building community through music, and what it means to create meaningful work that lasts. 

Whether you're a musician, songwriter, solo artist, or in a band, this conversation offers an honest look at longevity, resilience, and carving out a life in the arts on your own terms.

Three songs are used in this podcast. You can hear them in their entirety here: Banjos for Everyone; Go Back; and Easy.

The Steel Wheels Website

Red Wings Roots Festival

We Made You a Song Podcast

Support the show

If you have a question, an idea for a show, or you would just like to say "hey," you can drop me an email at [email protected]