The godfather of the video game industry, and founder of Atari and Chuck E Cheese, Nolan Bushnell, and CEO of the Two Bit Circus Foundation, Dr Leah Hanes talk about their new book, Shaping the Future of Education. Co-host Kristin Torrence (learning designer) and I chat with them about how to make learning engaging and fun, the state of the current school systems, and innovation in the learning space such as using virtual reality and artificial intelligence.