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Some people learn emotional intelligence from books.
Others learn it from life.
Jason “Jack” Frost learned it the hard way, through people, pressure, loss, loyalty, and the everyday moments that test who you really are.

In this episode, Frosty opens up in a way most leaders never do.
He’s no doctor, or psychologist, and he’ll tell you himself he’s no expert in the science…
But he is real.
He is raw.
And he carries a quiet emotional intelligence shaped by years on construction sites, on the air strips, decades as a father, and the kind of life moments that leave their mark.

This conversation is full of laughter, honesty, vulnerability, and the kind of grounded wisdom that only comes from lived experience.
It’s emotional.
It’s human.
And it will hit home for anyone who has ever led people, supported a mate, carried pressure, or tried to stay strong when life got heavy.

Frosty shows us that emotional intelligence isn’t academic, it’s personal.
It’s the way we show up for each other, and for ourselves, when it matters most.

And next week… we go deeper.

Episode 4 — Purpose Over Position — is a solo episode where I open up about one of the defining moments of my life, a Solo, from my NSWP Undercover Days.

A night in Kings Cross that shaped part of the man I became, long before podcasting, long before leadership coaching, long before the construcion sites.

If EP - 3 touches your heart,
EP - 4 will stay with you long after it ends.

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Real people.
Real emotion.
Real leadership.