In Episode 3: “Hey MA!” at Usual Pets, we at Usual Pets first present a WTF (Wondrous Transmogrified Filaments), a sonic cognition featuring Jeff’s shakuhachi playing. Following this, we discuss the fractal arrangement of worlds, the Japanese concept of MA with respect to space and silence, darkness and the intrigue of dreams, finding the musician within, pragmatic impracticality, tunnels to love, fearlessness and peace in improvisation, and, nonsense. Our conversation is also sprinkled with quotes from Jung. Find us at https://usualpets.com and if you like what we do,  please join us on Patreon: https://patreon.com/usualpets, your support will keep us going. You can also visit us on Instagram, on Facebook, or at Podbean. Please let us know what you think of our independent production.