Pat Phelan wrote his book, Leaping Forward, during COVID after what he calls a Jerry Maguire moment at the manuscript. Eighteen years into owning the company now known as Leap, he sits down with Sam Sapp to trace the winding path from a failed stint as a restaurant operator to a national supplier of restaurant furniture and case goods. Along the way he unpacks the line between a hustler and a con artist, why partnerships are tougher than marriages, and the kind of business amnesia that keeps an entrepreneur moving forward.