Sean: What does that look like? Because a lot of people think that they know how to deal with people. Hey, when I was starting out, I thought I knew how to deal with people, but it turns out looking back now I'm connecting the dots. I was an idiot at it. And so what do you mean when you say that you got picked up because you knew how to deal with people?

J Haleem: Well, when he was telling me was, you know, again, he had a young lady, I'll tell you real quick, I had a young lady and she wasn't young, she about 50 years old, but she was the best person for the job. Literally far as skillset, but horrible, horrible, horrible temperament.

She's yelling at everybody. She's straight-up military style. You know, I understand that you have to deal with each person differently. I want to get to know you. I want to get to know what's going to make you know to be the best employee. What's going to bring the best out of you, you know? And then I'm willing to work beside you.

She's like she was the type. This is your job. You need to know how to do it. Not I'm not going to be here to help you. I showed you already. So no, I'm going to make it easy for you to do your job. So the same way you don't do your job, I made it easy for you to fire yourself. So it was just a great situation. And then not only dealing with the employees and that being a project manager, but I also had to deal with the facilities manager.

I had to deal with the owners of the building, of the space. You had to be able to turn and have to wear different hats. So not only was I equipped to go ahead and be on my regular uniform, but I could put a suit and tie on as well and have this business meeting talking about this new project because again, they'll have events, this is extra money.

It was the base contract of a million dollars. But if they have these events at the space, that's going to be another $20,000. I got to talk. I gotta be able to negotiate in that and say, how much are we going to charge? Because we have to bring new people in here. We got to do this. You got to clean up.

It's so much stuff going on and she was not even prepared for that. She's been totally overwhelmed dealing with that. She just, all she knew, was a practitioner. She wasn't a manager, you know, and that was the thing.

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