What is the biggest lie we need to tell ourselves to continue our porn use? In this episode Vern (in a round about way) gets there!


I love to talk to Pastors - especially those who are looking to deal with their unmanageable sexual behaviors.

If you need a safe place to talk - you can reach out to me at

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You can also see some more resources on my website

https://bandofbrothers.care