In this episode of ThunderCast, Chris McGowan sits down with Hugh Le, founder of Juxtabyte and former data lead at CBA, to talk about the unseen costs of building something new, the cultural layers of stoicism, and the inevitable collision of AI, governance, and ethics. They dig into the modern workplace, the shift in workforce dynamics, and whether suffering is just a part of the human condition or something we’re learning to opt out of. This is a conversation for anyone navigating change, whether in tech, leadership, or life itself. 

Episode breakdown 

1. From the Bike to the Mic 

• Chris and Hugh reflect on their past cycling experiences, particularly their shared suffering during long rides. 

• The unexpected journey from endurance sports to sitting across from each other on a podcast. 

2. The Power of Shared Suffering 

• How shared physical and mental endurance fosters deep connections. 

• The parallels between enduring physical hardship (like long-distance cycling) and navigating professional and personal challenges. 

• Why suffering together leads to more meaningful conversations and relationships. 

3. Riding for a Cause

• The contrast between physical illnesses (which demand immediate treatment) and mental health struggles (which are often suffered in silence). 

• How different cultures handle mental health challenges and the need for greater awareness. 

4. Cultural Stoicism & The Silent Struggle 

• Hugh reflects on stoicism in Asian culture 

• Chris compares this to the British "mustn't grumble" attitude and explores whether suffering in silence is helpful or harmful. 

• Is enduring hardship quietly an inherent cultural trait, or is it a universal human experience? 

5. The Body Keeps the Score

• Chris shares his experience of avoiding the book The Body Keeps the Score 

• The impact of unprocessed emotions over time and the importance of finding healthy outlets. 

6. Genetic Memory & The Science of Inherited Trauma 

• Can suffering be passed down through DNA, or is it purely environmental? 

• The nature vs. nurture  

7. The Raging Frontier of Science & Ethics 

• The tension between scientific advancements and society’s ability to ethically process them. 

• AI, genetic modifications, and the inevitable march toward augmentation—just because we can, should we? 

8. The Founder's Journey: Risk, Conviction & Getting Started 

• Hugh’s transition from executive management to launching Juxtabyte. 

• The importance of risk assessment and deciding how much to invest in a new venture. 

9. Momentum & The Universe's Role in Success 

• Hugh’s belief that the universe rewards momentum. 

• How unexpected support, mentorship, and resources materialise when you put yourself out there. 

10. Learning to Be a Jack of All Trades 

• The reality of wearing multiple hats as a founder.

• The importance of being "just good enough" to get started and building expertise along the way. 

11. Goal-Setting: Holding Plans Lightly & Revising Up 

• Why rigid goal-setting can be limiting.

• Trusting that growth happens in ways you can’t fully anticipate at the start. 

12. The Future of Work: Flexibility, Gig Economy & Specialisation 

• The shift towards fractionalised work.

• Chris draws a comparison to Uber and Airbnb, questioning whether employment models will follow the same trend. 

• Hugh explores how AI and automation may redefine job roles and career stability. 

13. The Intersection of Product & Services: A New Business Model 

• Chris’s belief that the future isn’t just product or services, but a hybrid model. 

• Why companies struggle to break away from rigid service-based or product-based thinking. 

14. The Uncommonly Held Belief That Drives ThunderLabs 

• Chris shares his deeply held belief that recruitment and talent deployment must evolve. 

• The long-term vision of building a human-technology interface that ensures meaningful, sustainable work for top talent.