Lilly sits down with her friend Katie, a producer and director based in Los Angeles, for one of the more honest conversations the show has had. They go back to the beginning: two women in their late 20s orbiting their husbands, shape-shifting their ambitions to fit the terms they had agreed to, and slowly cracking open into something neither of them understood, yet.

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