Sean: Well, you know, a lot of people go through that when times get tough in business, we look into ourselves again and we wonder. "Why am I doing this again? Why am I going through all these hard things, dealing with these difficult people in my team and in my client's list?" So what happened then? How did you get to realize why you still want it to go on?

Jan: Well, increasingly I didn't and I think, you know, the moment you get to that stage, word gets around. So, you know, you start to get approached by all sorts of VCs. And, you know, out of all the businesses who were under various pretext, you know? And it was a really interesting one because, of course, that so it's a very sort of shark-infested water and very male-dominated too.

Jan: So nearly all of them come in and say, "Well, you know, you're having a rough time and you know, you're having problems, but of course, you want to because you're a woman."

Sean: That's not nice.

Jan: It wasn't the very best way to get on with me actually, there was probably a certain amount of research in manufacturing. But it was a very tough gig for women. But no, it was hard, and so I got some office on the business, you know, so shall I` or shouldn't I, pulled out the last minute, you know as many people do and that's your baby is sensible. "Oh, my goodness, what do I do if I don't have this too?" comes into it.

Jan: You know? So I wasted some years actually, to my anger, I should have taken the first offer it was the best offer and it would have been the best for me - "argh, damn it."

Jan: But I didn't anyway, and in the end just got to the pitch and I thought, you know, "I really, I cannot. I was getting so ill with them, you know, I just can't do it." And somebody wants to take over the brand, the people that didn't want the actual unit because it was too far from them, it was a competitor. So we just made a deal, you know, within a couple, literally a few weeks. I think three or four weeks took it far. And it was just done, you know, and I thought I would really regret it.

Jan: But by that time, I woke up and I thought, This is wonderful. I am so pleased. Why didn't I do it five years ago? And I think a lot of people say you should get out before going too long, too late in your business when you've seen it all before, and it gets that pitch at your signature before. It's definitely the time you should get out because it just doesn't do it for you anymore.

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