Sean: How do we improve our leadership expertise, how we lead other people, how we influence them on a deeper level, more than work and on the higher form of sort of principle? How do we elevate their principles to be better in terms of morality, in terms of what is acceptable to society at large? Is there a way for us to hone that?

Alan: Yeah. When I think about influential and powerful expertise, I actually start you mentioned before adopting a geek perspective, right? So from a physical science perspective, right? Influence or the way they are referred to in physics would be, maybe 'power' is the change of someone's work over the change in time. Right.

Alan: So in order to move something, we need power. in order to heat something, we need power. In order to change anything in the world, we need power in a social setting between people. We have the same sort of idea. I think leadership is really about changing people and influencing people.

Alan: There are researchers who have identified probably about seven different forms of social power that are exerted in the world. Expertise happens to be one of them, but a couple of the others are things like coercion. Right? And this is an area that's really susceptible to fraud and manipulation and power. Right. It's this idea of coercing people into doing what you want them to do, which is sort of the antithesis of what I think of us as an expert influence.

Alan: Expertise is more about information, power, and rewards right there. There are benefits to actually pursuing certain courses, and this is where you know it's hard to teach morality right in this world. The world is depleted of adequate levels of moral judgment, and people are doing what they can to raise to a level of power and influence, oftentimes very negatively.

Alan: Unfortunately, expertise is used for some of the greatest advancements in the world, but expertise is also brought some of the worst catastrophes and destructions you know, that are known in humanity. Right. And so it's an instrument of tremendous influence for good and for bad, right? And I'll leave it to you and the audience to decide how they can influence moral agency and moral power in the world.

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