Get ready for a fun, fast-paced conversation with the new technical director at Heritage, Phil Holland. Phil and his family traveled across the country to be part of Heritage, but that is just a small part of his fascinating journey. Mike and Phil discuss his multiple moves, his years in youth ministry, his love for serving the church through tech, and also his not-so-friendly interaction with Ozzy Ozborn. In short, this episode is a wild ride so push play and hang on.