What does playing basketball have in common with releasing a hit song? In Johnny 2 Phones' mind, a lot. So much that he made "athletic background" a requirement in his search to hire an intern.

In this episode we talk to Johnny about how a sports background has influenced his artist career, making music that is happy-sad, TikTok strategy for making your music viral, what to do when you feel like giving up, and the important distinction between being confident and being cocky.