In this first part of a two part series Vern explores the idea of being conflicted vs. being non-conflicted in our ministry as a pastor.

In this episode he interviews Darrel Brazzell about his own conflicted journey with sexual brokenness and how God has both changed his life and used him to help other men.


I love to talk to Pastors - especially those who are looking to deal with their unmanageable sexual behaviors.  If you need a safe place to talk - you can reach out to me at

[email protected]

You can also see some more resources on my website

https://bandofbrothers.care